Read it and weep! The DSM-5: take IMMEDIATE action or we're going to be labeled as psychos or worse!

Comment by Traci O'Gara on May 30, 2011 at 2:17pm

Please girls, log in and sign petitions, add comments to the links...as currently worded, it will set back all the efforts of so many the past 30-40 years and take us back to ground zero or worse! I for one do not wish to have Uncle Sam labeling me as a psycho and "prescribing meds" to "fix me or straighten me out! This, if allowed, will give the medical community and hence the legal apparatus the right to have all of us considered legally "fringe" with no telling what methods they might have to "cure us"! I'm not crying wolf here...
PLEASE take action and PLEASE notate it in this blog in order to assess the response...we have like 2 weeks to do this!!!
Thnx and Gawd Bless!
Traci

Comment by Layna Roth on May 30, 2011 at 3:58pm

No. I'm not signing. I've read through both new Disorders and I completely agree with their stances and justifications.

You pull your widdle pee pee while wearing stockings and a garter belt and you get the proper diagnosis. The scare tactic is to somehow try to make those of us who are rational and psychologically balanced believe that should we "piss off" our therapists we'll get labeled with the "bad" disorder.

Amazing thing about both the medical and psych professions... If you disagree with the diagnosis, you can always, always, always get a second opinion. It would be curious to find out how mad someone will be when both psych's agree on the same diagnosis though =D

Comment by Julia Giannopoulos on May 30, 2011 at 4:31pm

I fully and completely agree with Layna on this.

This concerns Transvestic Disorder which carries a ICD9 coding of 302.3 for a diagnosis.
Gender Identity Disorder (GID) has a ICD9 coding of 302.6 for a diagnosis.

What's the difference??

Transvestic Disorder is categorized as a fetish as it should be.

Gender Identity Disorder is categorized as a disorder treatable with hormone therapy, living in the patient's preferred gender, surgery if needed, etc.

Transvestic Disorder is treated as a fetish because it is exactly that, a fetish.

This is an example of the camel sticking it's nose under the tent in order to gain legitimacy concerning gaining relief from social stigma.

I've gone through enough grief having to explain over and over AND OVER as to why crossdressers want access to womwen's restrooms.

I explain that the law is designed to protect those that are truly TS from potential violence if the wrong restroom is used.

I'm sick and tired of every fringe element of the gender umbrella attempting to climb aborad the coat tails of diagnosis and laws designed to protect those that are classified as TS.

 

To those that are part time..Listen, this isn't about you unless of course your claiming your a man in a dress getting his sexual gratification by masturbating in pantyhose and a wig.

That's what a Transvestic Disorder diagnosis is used for.

Otherwise sign this at your own peril.

 

This sort of garbage makes me sick.

 

 

Julia

 

Comment by Julia Giannopoulos on May 30, 2011 at 4:51pm

@ Adria

It has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

Comment by Layna Roth on May 30, 2011 at 6:14pm

@Julia: I absolutely loved your coattails analogy. =D

Now before I'm labeled as just being hateful, I thought it prudent to revisit this blog and the comments to post something.

To the cross-dressers, part-timers, and those who dress for any particular reason WITHOUT transition, please listen carefully:

I fully, and unequivocally support your right to pursue your life, your fantasies, your sexual thrills and your choices as you see fit within the established laws and Constitution of the United States of America and her great States. However,

You are not trans*. You do not plan on being trans* and you will never be trans*. I firmly reject the cross dresser trope that cross dressing is or could be a gateway to transition.

Get mad all you want. I truly do not care about your anger at my words and opinion.

Comment by Julia Giannopoulos on May 30, 2011 at 7:48pm

Regardless the line in the sand as Delphi has put it must be drawn in order to not convolute what is legitimately a medical diagnosis in order for TS people to obtain the needed care in which to move forward.
To say someone who has Transvestic Disorder and is diagnosed with this as a fetish is part of the same camp as a TS man or woman is one of the most disgusting things that you could ever say about a TS person.
I'm extremely sure Chloe was not a fetish driven man that had to go see a shrink and was subsequently diagnosed with Transvestic Disorder because Chloe was not a transvestite.
The most current and up to date definition of who a crossdresser is is a primarly white heterosexual married man who no intention of ever transitioning because he is satisfied with the sexual satisfaction and gratification he recieves from wearing clothing of the OPPOSITE gender.
Part time transgender women are very different from a crossdresser and full time TS women are different from these two camps.
Many here can yell, kick, scream, hold heir breath and take a huge dump in their diapers but the fact remains that men who are not legitimately TS are attempting to align themselves with TS people in order to gain acceptance when all they really need is a good shrink and some marriage counseling to get over their sexual fetish.


Julia

Comment by Bobbi Lombardo on May 30, 2011 at 8:45pm

Hi Julia. Guarde vous mon ami,

When I first became aware of my difference( 40 some years ago) I wanted to be anything but a guy who wanted his penis removed and to grow Breasts. remember there was no Transexual back then. But since I was fully aware of the pervert that I had to be no matter what ( thanks to a glorious upbringing) I chose to be the lessor of several evils (inthe minds of the general public), so I identified as a cross dresser. I sought out help from the shrinks of the day and they all wanted to dig into my childhood to locate the trama that resulted in this abomination. A once thought of this as an abomination and wanted it gone because it was ruining my life and I could not stop dressing.

It took years of denial and doctors and all sorts of very interesting life choices to finally come to terms with the fact that I just gotta be me and me is a she.

My point is that due to the pressures of my day I thought it would be more acceptable to be a crossdresser than one of those real freaks, cause after all it was just a fetish thing and most guys could let that go.

If DSM-V existed what do you think I wouold have been labels as in 1965 or so?

Touche' mo ami

Hugs
Namaste
Bobbi

Comment by Layna Roth on May 30, 2011 at 8:49pm

Annah, I respect your opinion regarding my own opinion. Of course, I disagree. As has been pointed out already, yet I'll reiterate there is a significant difference between cross dressing for sexual or fantasy fetish reasons and dressing in the opposite gender as part of a legitimate transition.

Technically speaking, when someone begins to undergo transition putting on the clothes of the target sex/gender is a required step. To me, that immediately elevates the behavior out of the cross dressing phase. The anecdotal evidence of this I present is in the form of a question: How can I be cross dressing when these are the clothes I am going to be wearing for the rest of my life?

I do stand by my statement, however Annah I'd like to point out that you avoided the very first part of it: "To the cross-dressers, part-timers, and those who dress for any particular reason WITHOUT transition" and "I fully, and unequivocally support your right to pursue your life, your fantasies, your sexual thrills and your choices as you see fit within the established laws and Constitution of the United States of America and her great States"

In reply you've stated: "I do agree there are some crossdressers who will always be crossdressers but to make such a black and white comment such as crossdressing never will be a form of transition is absolutely wrong and without merit was only stated to hurt the crossdressers here" This statement is a repeat of the trope that I mentioned I reject.

From Miriam-Webster: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope
b : a common or overused theme or device : cliché

I think you are confusing my disagreement with a cross dresser co-opting the transsexual experience to gain legitimacy rather than seeking that legitimacy on their own grounds with disagreement regarding cross dressers in general.

Beyond that clarification, I disagree with your assessment that I'm grouping *all* cross dressers together. I refuse to co-opt Chole's experience but would like to touch on it as the example that's been given here. From the description given, it doesn't sound like a fetish unless Chloe admitted to the addition of a fantasy being involved. Each person in transition may or may not have dressed in their mommy/daddy's clothes or dressed up at some point(s) in their life whether publically or privately. To me, there is a significant difference with that behavior and being a cross dresser so our main disagreement on this subject may simply be semantical in nature.

I don't believe I've ever stated a belief in a hierarchy, and I get upset when I see a blogger or commenter being marginalized by being labeled as "trannier than thou". One of the benefits that I've found being on PE is the ability for each and every person to be able to speak their minds and have others comment. To me, the idea is to foster understanding and to expand our knowledge from the limited experiences we live as individuals.

Looking forward to continuing the discussion =D

Comment by Layna Roth on May 30, 2011 at 9:28pm

Adria, it is my firm belief that your fear is ungrounded. As I pointed out in my very first reply, just because you get an unfavorable diagnosis, doesn't keep you from getting a second opinion. It is fear-mongering that is being used to make people like you believe you only get one shot at transition.

Comment by Layna Roth on May 30, 2011 at 11:39pm

Julia,

I think you're exactly right. I believe there is a TS backlash, and that we are in fact angry about it. It is us standing up for us, and refusing to allow ourselves to be co-opted anymore that gets us rebuked and labeled transphobic and exclusive and "trannier than thou". None of which are true.

The truth is if they want legitimacy they need to earn that legitimacy, just as we have been fighting for our own.

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