Gay Marriage - An interesting perspective

Comment by Dal Maxwell on August 3, 2012 at 9:06am

You don't mention that you reposted this verbatim without credit from another source

Comment by Rachel King on August 4, 2012 at 12:02am

I would think it was fairly obvious form MY headline to someone elses headline inside the blog, Dal!

Pick your fight with someone else, I'm not in the least bit interested.

I merely posted this because it might be of interest to someone who has not seen it, the same as it was posted to me and I found it of interest.

I am not plagiarising, although Rachelpedia(c) is a notorious plagiarist.

If it is of no interest to yourself, piss off and find someone else to annoy and stop being so irksome!

 

No wonder such as Tedie are bullied into not wanting to make comments for fear of "holier-than-thou" types.

I have nothing to prove and nothing to fear.

Pretty simple, hey?

Thank you SteFanie for establishing the authorship.

It matters not a whit to me, the content is what is of interest to me and perhaps others, I don't quote or misquote Shakespeare or others in my musings nor do I deny them their contribution.

We are here to learn and socialise, not be bullied.

And I have even written this with a smile on my face and a laugh at the finish.

Now my Mai beckons.

 

Comment by Dal Maxwell on August 4, 2012 at 1:18am

Y'know, Rachel..........I used to look forward to your posts; pithy and to the point quite often.  Even when you didn't nail it, there was an interesting perspective in there.  But then you started attacking; people first and then a whole country.  That's where you lost me.  So if you think I am spoiling for a fight...........no, not really.  But I am sending you a message that at times you are a totally insensitive something or other.

Oh........just for the record, I have a lot of respect for my news sources.  Some I have cart blanche permission to use while others I check in just to be sure.  But whenever I post and when I do my weekly broadcast, I always close with acknowledgements about what came from where.  It's the right thing to do.

Lastly, no, it actually isn't obvious from the headline.  I have posted many a blog and used font sets and stylizing that were totally different from the body.  I reported that very story last week and knew exactly where it came from.  Do you think everyone else does/did?

Comment by Rachel King on August 4, 2012 at 9:03am

Hahahaha, I just knew I would win the bet about you having to have the last word.

Suits me, I care neither one way or the other.

For anyone who wants to comment on the blog, goodonya.

If nobody's got  thought on the subject, shrug.... dussn't madder

It's out there for perusal, that's all that counts, for mine.

Comment by Lauren Elisabeth Tancyus on August 5, 2012 at 9:44pm

HI Rachel, I think to some degree you are agreeing with me now and depart a bit from your position on your response to my mid June blog when I said I didn't feel any kinship with the GLB community and that we need be looking out after our own interests. There is no surprise that we are at best an afterthought in the GLB community. We might as well change the acronym to GLB (LSP) because they treat us as the little sisters of the poor. 

Comment by Lauren Elisabeth Tancyus on August 5, 2012 at 10:25pm

You are quite right Rachel, "Put it our there"!!

Comment by Rachel King on August 5, 2012 at 10:36pm

Hi Sherri, good to see you make an occasional comment, hahahaha.

In actual factual, as was so stridently pointed out, this is not my view but pasted from a blog sent to me which was copied and which was no doubt copied as well.

I merely put it up here for another view to be shared by Pe members but it seems as most take everything literal so do they need everything spelled out.

 

For the record and as much as I hate disclaimers, this blog is copied and that's as far as I can be bothered going with that.

 

Now, to offer my opinion, I live in a town where I am the only trans woman, that I am aware of, though there have been a couple who moved here for work, for a short period.

I have met a few trans women in Perth, West Oz's capitol City, who will be friends forever, but the scene I see there is convoluted, messy, fault-finding, nit-picking, jealous and generally those I have little in common with( sound familiar? or is it only  an Ozzie trait, of bitch eat bitch?)

Whatever, I don't need it.

My friends in Karratha are tried and true, who stood by me and I love dearly.

Oh yeah, the subject, if I had reason( is there one?) to have need of community support, I still believe that being connected with the LGB community has and will, in the forseeable future, be an asset in getting a degree of acceptance but more importantly, much more importantly, the message out there that we are nothing more( or less) than women with a variance, not freaks, not weirdo's, not physco's but normal human beings like everybody else.

Getting this message out there individually is all very well and good but to a wider audience, we need a larger umbrella for that wider audience.

The LGB community, for all it's faults and all it's bigotry towards us, provides that.

 

Seems a good enough reason to me.

Comment by Erin Detty on August 5, 2012 at 11:47pm

 We are not treated as well as we should be by our LGBT community, and as for Celebrities. Its easier to take on an issue that can help make them look good that has already been excepted to a larger degree as the Gay issue has. Just say the word Transsexual and look at the faces of those in a room of mixed company, why don't they take that on. My own wife had an easier time thinking I was Gay rather than Transsexual, Damn, I was confused by that but over time I have learned my place, I'll deal with it, I am what I am. Thank you, I found this interesting:) 

Comment by Caroline Grace on August 7, 2012 at 6:00am

Without a doubt I get that the T in LGBT is often overlooked and we are the first to be jettisoned when LGBT rights are being sought. in the US one only has to look at ENDA's history including with the HRC, or the end of DADT (except, of course, for those who are "T").With that said I also need to say some others truths:

Most T people are also likely to fall into LGB categories. for example, if you are a TG woman and stay with your wife, aren't you a lesbian to the world? isn't your wife? This change in the sexual orientation identity of thr non-trans spouse causes a lot of marriages to be stressed and to several to fail. I know lots of transmen who were once into what everyone thought was lesbian relationship only to find out later on they were in a straight one. That also causes the non-trans SO / spouse stress since they don't identify as straight.

Many transpeople's sexual orientation does shift. Are they B? Many will date either men or women. They will also have sex with either, even though they do have a preference for one sex or another. Hopefully enough has been said to convince many that TG folks can also be LGB folks, which is also why same sex marriage is a T issue. Add to that if you are married and transition and your state / province/ country doesn't allow same sex marriage, is your marriage automatically invalid? 

Next thing to think about;  The number of TG folks is so small we can not speak loud enough to be heard in crowds. If we look around at those who at least tolerate us best, who do we see?  Where are we welcome when we are obviously still transitioning? Our havens for socialization have been LGB bars and social events. if we join hands with others in trying to create social and legal changes, it is most likely with people who are LGB or who are standing up for the LGBT person they love. In passing legislation in MD, it was our allies speaking up for us that had the most impact on elected officials, so let's not be so quick to get mad at others who are successfully working on their issues, too. In teh case of SSM, I have already made the case that it is also an issue that affects us.

BTW, having spoken to B women recently, they are feel they are left out of the LGBT community. Funny, isn't it?

And yet I get that we need to put our own voice to issues. We also need to put our efforts / resources forth and not assume that things will just happen. Those are some of the reasons why I helped found Gender Rights Maryland. Many of us who are local here in MD felt that those who are T weren't getting respected or listened to in our legislative processes.

in the end, those who standing with us when we pushed for bills were those who are LGB. I also know those who would stand with me first at work and in family were also those who are LGB. So we don't have a perfect relationship with one another but we do have the common ground of being discriminated against for being gender non-conforming. We should join hands and lock arms with others when they seek equal treatment, regardless of the issue. And more than likely they will more willing to do the same for us.

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