Are we born in the wrong body? Did God make a mistake???

Comment by Marsha M. Marsha on January 5, 2011 at 11:04pm

Michelle, I am a Christian and have been for many years but I have never blamed God for anything let alone my gender identity however I do believe there are people, and I am one of them, where the  person's innate gender does not agree with one's assigned gender at birth. I call it a birth defect of the mind and from my vantage point, I don't consider the transition to living as my true self a real choice.

 

I would also like to advise you take faith discussions to the FAITH group for discussion as that would be the proper place for this type of discourse. If you do not belong to FAITH, please join us there. This is, afterall, a secular site and we try to honour everyone in this trans community, and seeing that some are agnostic or claim to be atheist, I try to leave faith discussion in the FAITH room.

I do appreciate your views and am gald you are among our wonderful people here at Pink Essence.

Hugs,

Marsha

 

Comment by Michelle Charlene Young on January 6, 2011 at 2:10am

Well Marsha,

 

I do believe this issue could be but not limitedto the faith room and I have asked about the moderators last night in an emailabout joining that group and what I needed to be accepted by the group.  I did NOT see it in the “General Rules” that discussion about God is to in the faith room only because this forum is secular. I do not believe being transgender is being worldly either more just the opposite-Godly.

 

I also see discussions there about other beliefs and religions as well.  I'm sorry to see that you personally feel discussing things about God and Christianity as not being an open and public subject and should be discussed only in private places due to the fact of possibly offending someone who is agnostic or atheistic. I wonder how God would feel about His matters being only mentioned in secret or private.

 

I know this issue has come up many times intransgenders topics and forms in the past and therefore this is why I chose to address it here in the community and post it on my web page blog. 

 

This is not intended to create an argument but an understanding that God is not one to be blamed for the wrong we experiencein our lives, if you are saying that a birth defect of the mind is what we are born with then it’s a mind thing like mental retardation. .  I don’t agree with that at all…the mind’sf unction is made for reasoning and decision making and thought processes whereas the heart and soul is and things like emotion, desire, pain, and love are felt.  I always felt different in myheart and my mind has always told me that I am not gay I’m straight.

 

I am not here to push religious views on anyoneand if someone is agnostic or atheistic then I would assume they would disregard the opinion anyway and stick to their view that God is to blame for their problems in life.

 

So Sister if what I’m saying to you here is hard for you to digest I’m hoping you will realize I’m saying these things with love and not in the spirit of arrogance.  If you say you are in Christian woman then I am a Sister of yours in the faith and hope we can reason these things together in love.

 

Hugs…and God Bless!

 

Michelle

Comment by Rachel King on January 6, 2011 at 3:32am

Quite right too Michelle,
Let me raise the height of the soapbox for you.
Excuse me for turning the microphone off though.

The arrogance with which you push your blinkered religious views on people who have to endure daily harassment because of who we are, is exactly the very wrong with which your country is seen by the world.

You and your religionist cronies are so fixated with being right, that logic fails to penetrate.
Were they "god-fearing" or merely "afraid" people that got you fired?
I'll bet I'm right about one thing though, they were god-fearing upstanding members of the community who were afraid of what you are, right?

Perhaps you might care to share where you go out daily and preach to the very ones that create the misery that is the lot of so many TG women, or perhaps you are too busy adjusting the blinkers.
Quote,
" This is why I believe God placed us here at the end of time ( end of time? are you one of those from Cyndi's blog that are claiming the end of the world is nigh?) to be who we want to be, otherwise any other time if we were born and placed in history we would have suffered greatly by death or serious torture"
Seriously?

Even in outback North Western Oztralia I read about LGBT people in your country, who are killed or beaten (tortured) daily, nightly, weekly, monthly, yearly.
And this is 2011, already.
Your beliefs are your own but if you want to shove them down others throats in an open forum with such a blinkered approach, please excuse me if I don't swallow it.

I just betcha you are a terrific person though.

I'm pleased I was kind and considerate in my comment.
toodleoo.

Comment by Michelle Charlene Young on January 6, 2011 at 5:09am

Well friend I'm sorry you feel about things that way and by your comments you were reading between the lines and totally missed the boat. . I will agree with you in the respect that most churches believe that being Gay, Lesbian, Bi, or TG iswrong and some religious fanatics practice hatred in the name of God and theyhave been practicing that garbage for a very long time. Are they all that way?NO   And I'm trans and I go to semi-conservative mainstream churches and I don't let anyone push that garbage on me but I know better.  Am I a bigot??? I think not...I don’t judge people…I realize religious fanatics are pushing theirown agendas all over the world and trans people should not be afraid of the churches bigotry.  Things have to change and they only will get better when the GLBT community realizes that Gods plan for salvation is for everyone including transgender folk.  So please friend don't associate ME as being a religious crony because I see through all that garbage.  If you don't believe in God then fine but just move on don't knock those who do...that is stereotyping and that is also a form of Bigotry.  I realize that your view is obviously atheistic and if you don’t like what I say then just pass on by friend and keep negative comments to yourself.  This information is for those who do believe in God.

 

Oh..and please don’t inject your comments in the middle of my sentences and don’t twistmy words…

Comment by Rachel King on January 6, 2011 at 5:27am

"I welcome all comments in this matter from everyone,"

Then again, perhaps you don't, unless they reflect your own form of zealousness.

There is nothing wrong with belief, there IS something wrong with shoving it down anothers throat.

Muslims do exactly the same thing, in exactly the same way.

 

Bird's of a feather.......

Comment by Shirley on January 6, 2011 at 9:19am

"YES" - I agree we are all blessed, to be who we are - To come to a place of "Self" acceptance is like finding "Paradise" - "Physcologically , perhaps we all should have been born women, but "Genetically", we are still born with XY chromosones to put it "Gently"  /  Therefore it makes total sense (for me) to consider myself a part of the 3rd sex - "Transgendered"   - Regardless of any religous belief

Comment by Rachel King on January 6, 2011 at 6:14pm

I had never thought of religionists as being in the "Brown Shirt" mould Joanne but you are quite right.

They get in everyone's face and spout there bigoted message and for those who don't adhere to their brand of thinking, they ostracise them.

For those, like you and me, who are variant to their way of thinking, regular victimisation is common, beatings, rapes and murders are committed in the name of, and still the right wing spout their message of hatred.

They should be proud, proud that they have continued the pitiful ways that clouded the 1930's, proud that America is at the forefront of discrimination, proud that their message of hate is heard around the world.

And ashamed that the world holds America in contempt for being so two-faced in telling the world how to behave and behaving so shamefully themselves.

Comment by Kimberly Ann on January 8, 2011 at 11:04pm

God does not make mistakes. He Loves us just as we are. I have known I was in the wrong body since the age of 5. But God still loves us. I remember playing with both Barbie dolls and GI Joe dolls (hey you could buy lots of outfits for them). Now I'm taking hormones and my body is changing wonderfully. I am a women. God does not make mistakes! He made me who I am, But still loves me as both a Women and Man.

Comment by Robin Raianiemi on January 9, 2011 at 10:02am

Well, first of all, I'm an atheist.  I see utterly no good reason to believe in a deity (or deities), or any other thing in the supernatural realm.  No one knows what created the universe.  One can believe that the Judeo-Christian god, or Odin, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster created everything, but that's different from knowing that.  Belief is not knowledge, and it's folly to make up an answer out of whole cloth.

 

It's the exact same thing with the transgender condition (or the condition of being gay, lesbian, or bisexual, for that matter).  The notions that "God made a mistake" and "God put me on this path for a reason", are exactly the same thing.  

 

We don't know why we're transgender. But we don't have to come up with some explanation or rationalization to explain it.  It is what it is.  And we need to accept it.  

 

I'm transgender.  I just am.  And I don't give a damn why.  And neither should any other GLBT person.  

Comment by JinianVictoria M. Herdina on January 9, 2011 at 11:43am

Granted  God does not make mistakes.   I merely corrected a medical condition.  The same can be said when a child is born who has a harelip for example....God did not make a mistake.....a medical condition was corrected.  Who I am is not a gender issue.  I am a woman.  If you have a problem with that then I suggest to the person saying a problem exsists they have a problem not me.

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